Tag Me Podcast

Videographer & Photographer Saul Lopez: How To Land Clients Using Instagram & Social Media Tips For Creatives

January 20, 2020 Audrie Season 1 Episode 2
Tag Me Podcast
Videographer & Photographer Saul Lopez: How To Land Clients Using Instagram & Social Media Tips For Creatives
Show Notes Transcript

In this episode of Tag Me Podcast, we’ll be learning social media tips from videographer and photographer, Saul Lopez. He’ll be sharing how he used social media to go from High School teacher to a videographer in just two years. He now creates content for major brands like Moncler, Casamigos, and celebrities like J Balvin. If you are interested in learning how he used social to launch his career - stay tuned.

Saul's Social Media:
Instagram @Saulopez

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Audrie:   0:12
He is a videographer capturing celebrities attending events like Paris and New York fashion week and working with brands like Casamigos and Moncler to create engaging content and it all started from purchasing a camera and taking pics as a fun hobby while teaching high school students history 

Saul:   1:16
Thank you so much for having me appreciate it. That's quite a list. I'm just realizing how extensive that is. It's kind of cool.

Audrie:   1:30
I'm really proud of you.

Saul:   1:31
Appreciate it.

Audrie:   1:32
Quickly share what you do and how you got started.

Saul:   1:35
Yeah. So my name is Sal Lopez. I am a videographer and sometimes photographer. If the check is right, 

Saul:   1:47
I've been a videographer full time now for two years. Picked up my first camera, like, three or four years ago. Um, but I was kind of wild How it all started. I graduated from Pepperdine University in 2015 with a degree in economics. Not planning on doing anything creative or photography related. Video related. Um, but I was figuring out what I wanted to do. Anything. Finance wasn't for me, so I was like, All right, well, I really enjoyed working with kids, so let me just go be a high school teacher for two years. Our first Somehow let me just go be a high school teacher and I'll figure it out along the way. End up being a high school teacher for two years and it was great. I loved working with kids. I led like the senior trip to Mexico. So that was a lot of fun. And during that time, I remember one day I was in one of my classes and I was like, You know what? I'm going to start a sock company. And for every pair of socks that I sell I will donate a pair to a homeless person in LA Because I love socks with cool designs and I always like, was really into it. And, um yeah, so I sourced all these socks from Italy and, like they had a sock drive and partnered with its shelter on Skid Row and, like, filmed a video till help promote it quickly realize clothing wasn't for me. But during that time, like I didn't have any money to pay someone to make my videos or take photos for me, it was like, All right, I'm gonna buy a camera and see where it goes. So like I started taking photos and videos of my sock company and putting them on Instagram and promoting it, and people really gravitated towards them and started liking them. So that's sort of how I got started. Like someone like saw some of my videos. They decided to hit me up like hey can you come do this for me. And multiple people started started hitting you up and it kind of just snowballed until, like, a whole career that I have now, which is just crazy. And it's led me to like Fashion Week and Milan Paris, New York and shooting with all these cool people and getting to meet people like you as well. So yeah, that's sort of like in a nutshell version How a how I got started now, three years ago. Yeah,

Audrie:   3:38
I love that. I'm so proud of you. So this is the power of social media. So Saul and I actually met because I found you on social. Ah, one of my friends posted a video and she tagged you in it as a videographer. I went to your page, loved your work, sent you a DM on instagram. And I think from there we exchanged a few e mails about what I needed, and then we work together and we created content for one of my clients.

Saul:   4:00
I remember. Yeah, because I showed me that video for in Paris was in Paris Fashion Week last February. And then I think in March, I we met for the first time in person at the Daily front row awards at the like, the Beverly Hills hotel or whatever. And I think we had already exchanged a couple of messages at that point. And yet from there, just like when I went off And, uh, you know, now we're friends, have this relationship to work together, so that's really cool. But all the things go down in the DM you know, Yeah, goes, it's kind of crazy.

Audrie:   4:27
I actually reference your videos when I'm trying to think of innovative ways for my clients to create content and especially love your editing.

Saul:   4:34
Appreciate it. I mean, it's been a lot. It's always a learning experience. I think you never stop learning. And I mean, I just taught myself just on YouTube, watched a bunch of editorials, and I'm like, you know, like I have this vision of what I want to create, let me see how I can go about doing that and how I actually do that. So, yeah, I mean, just hours on YouTube trying to figure out different ways to create. But now it's like people are so innovative to like on Instagram, like different videographers and editors. It's It's pretty crazy. Yes, I'm just right now. I'm trying to keep up, you know, it's like a whole new wave of kids just coming up.

Audrie:   5:02
I think now everyone's probably just trying to keep up with you.

Saul:   5:04
Oh, man, I hope so. That's right. I hope that's the case.

Audrie:   5:08
So referencing YouTube, Is there a specific YouTube channel that you go to toe learn?

Saul:   5:13
Yeah. So, um, there's actually quite a few. So one of the biggest ones that I I still listen to and really helped me out to being his name's Peter McKinnon. He's a photographer videographer based in Toronto, and he just has a lot of really educational content when it comes to like the technical stuff of editing. And he does like vlogs and stuff, too. So it's really interesting to see how he goes about like creating an editing. So I learned a lot from him originally when I was starting out, Um, like one of my base influences Was this a pr ef er His name's Rory Kramer, and he used to be the videographer for the chain smokers. I think he still is, But I remember seeing a music video that he had done for roses. So Roses was popping at the timely, just like 2015 or whatever. And he made I'm like a music video for that I was dating. This guy is so cool like I wanna be just like him. So I like, researched He had, like, a bunch of different videos, talking about, like the technique, like the equipment he was using. And I was like, All right, I'm gonna buy this exact equipment because I'm trying to be like Rory Kramer and work with the Chain Smokers. Here's one day. So, like, yes, so those were some of the two biggest ones, and there's always just a bunch of different editors and stuff like that on YouTube that you can easily find. But there's great content out there for anyone who's trying to like learn and start out for sure.

Audrie:   6:17


Audrie:   6:40
What is good quality content?

Saul:   6:43
Yeah, I think just their storytelling ability is really important. I think people really get obsessed and me too, Like I think it's not anyone's fault, but I think when you're starting out like it's really easy to just be obsessed with making things look really pretty. And yet, to some people, that may be enough for a late. It's like, Okay, this looks really cool and its share something that shows like the sights. But I think having an ability to make something like really pretty and dynamic, but also be able to tell a story within ah 15 or 32nd like time frame that, you know, people have attention spans nowadays on Instagram. I think that's a very special trade, and I think those two guys do that very well. So I think the story telling ability. There's a couple of creators that I can name off, but I think those have been the tube two biggest influences within the past, like five years said that I can say have made me who I am today, for sure.

Audrie:   7:31
What makes a great story?

Saul:   7:39
Yeah, absolutely. So for me, a lot of the content that I'm creating are like events. I shoot a lot of events, whether that's runways or influence or meetings for different brains, whatever it may be. So with that, I think it's a lot easier just to be able to tell a narrative just because you know, if it's ah, it's a runway show, there's there's a backstage there's the runway and then there's like the post like afterwards, right, so it's really easy to like, frame that beginning middle in it and obviously every story has a beginning, middle and end. But being ableto captivate a subject matter, whatever that may be, whether it's like the model getting ready and then she's like about to walk onto the runway and then afterwards were like all the all the press is gathering and like in interacting. And that's in that sense, Yeah, I mean, just being able to say it's a brand or whatever. Like, I think it's very important to just be able to show what they want to portray, like they curie these events, whether it's with the talent, the space, the evening, the location, the venue, whatever it may be, it's important to be able to share that in a dynamic way that flows. That makes sense to the viewer like it makes you feel like you were actually there in president. So you want to show like the little details when it comes to like the flowers or like the wall design that whatever the lighting at the lighting, super keen than the people who attend, you know it's like who's showing up wherever they there what, where they were the wearing, you know, it's like just it's a way of making it flow and show the energy of the evening for me just because it's a lot of event recaps. And I think just being able to show the energy of the event is really important in my storytelling ability. So you're just being able to capture the moment. I think it's really

Audrie:   9:12
well, I think you do that really well. See pretty much all your video, especially in this morning. Before we met, I watched Binge, watched all your videos. What is helpful for you as a videographer to know from the brand?

Saul:   9:26
Yeah, So I think luckily with me, every brand that I've worked with for them, every brand that worked well, what I'm shooting an event. They give me a briefing as to what's happening. So communication is key, right? With any sort of relationship, communication is key. Asking questions is super important to like you. Sometimes people don't want to sound dumb, so they don't ask questions. But like for me, it's like I need to know, like specifically, like, when is this starting? So I'd always show up, like two hours before, right? Who's gonna be there

Audrie:   9:52
two hours?

Saul:   9:53
Yeah, depending just cause you want to get the lay of the land. You wanna meet the security guards? You want to meet some of the usher? Some of the weight is you want to meet them because you're gonna be running around and you never know who might be able to help you, right? And just being able to stop with that relationship is super important. I'm there like, I

Audrie:   10:08
I don't have a project for you right now, but you're hired.

Saul:   10:10
Brands are usually really good at just giving out a detailed brief saying, Who's gonna be here at this time? This is what's gonna happen. We need you to capture this and then based on the deliver, deliver roubles from from that night he started just have, like, a mental image of like any to shoot. This is in this so that I can edit it this way and give it to them by the end of the night. Um, so ugly. That answers the question. But it's a little bit of how I go about doing doing that.

Audrie:   10:34
Yeah, I'm excited later to dive into contracts and all that stuff. First, I want to pick your brain on how social media plays a part in your career with landing jobs or connected with the creatives.

Saul:   10:45
So I mean, I owe my career to social media. I don't think I wouldn't be here if it was 10 years ago. I don't think I'd be doing this is because it wouldn't have existed, right? I think in serum is super powerful. It's a super powerful tool for creators, especially now. It is just because it was funny. I was like, uh, this morning thinking about like there's a lot of people that say, like, everyone's trying to be a photographer, right? I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing because I think now there is just a way for people to express themselves on a platform that they didn't have before, right? So Instagram has been a huge deal for me. Just because I've been able to connect with people like you, for example, are different brands and influencers through through just DM's like I make it a goal every week to reach out to x amount of people, whether that's daily and just like I said, a quick Hey and I'll link them some examples of work that I've done, and as a way I've started to send voice messages because it's a little more appealing or a little more intriguing for people to hit play just cause if you read it, it's like you can just write it off. But it's like, Oh, this is a voice message like I think the curiosity and anyone will be like, I want to hear at least what they say, right? And hopefully from, like, those 15 seconds, they'll hear my voice like I'm a pretty calm person on decide calm demeanor. So I think it's it's a little more settling. So now I suddenly voice message, just saying, Hey, like I'm a video here forever with these companies I'd love to create for you. This is what I can do to hear some examples above, let me know. So I make that ago every week to just reach out, and luckily, now just I've worked with enough people where I'll get references from from different people I've worked with in the past or people will just jammy asking if if I'm available to shoot this and stuff like that, So yeah, I think DMing is the greatest tool is what I mean. Obviously people use it for other reasons. But I think for work for work related purposes, if it's the best way you can, you can. You have anyone in the palm of your hand? Literally. So, yeah, it's crazy,

Audrie:   12:29
Um, in regards to your experience and work because social media exists and Instagram feeds are  Great way to showcase your work. Do you have to have a professional portfolio nowadays, or can you just use your instagram?

Saul:   12:41
Yeah, that's a great question. I think I think portfolios were still very key just because it shows that you take your craft seriously. And I think your portfolio shows how much dedication you are willing to put into it cause you know, the layout of it. The way you've designed it shows that you actually care about your work, which is, I think, super important. How many people actually look at that? I don't know. That's a great question. I always send it to them. But I always linked them my instagram to, or if I'm DMing them on Instagram. It's like all right, well, I don't post any personal stuff on my feed aside for my stories, like That's right, get a little personal with it, But like on my feed, if you go on it's mainly just my work. So if anyone wants to like if I'm DMing someone and they want to see what I've done, they can literally just go click profile and they can see outside of my portfolio linked in there. But I doubt many people are actually clicking on that. They just want to see what's on instagram, and can they make me look good? I think that's really what matters to a lot of people. But you know, I think portfolios They're still very important because it shows how dedicated you are to your craft.

Audrie:   13:33
How did you land your first client?

Saul:   13:35
My first client was so one of my really good friends. Her name is Michelle Hanabusa. Shout out to her. She has a clothing company. We Are Up Risers. Shout out, Michelle, But now I always joke with her. She's one of my closest friends, and I always joke with her saying that I owe my career to her because she was the first person that ever paid me to make a video. So this was January of 2017 and I had just brought my camera and this summer of 2016 so this was like five or six months ready. I remember when I first was shooting like one of my friends from high school was in a rock band and I was like, I want to shoot with, like, musicians one days. So let me just start at the local level. Let me make a little video for this rock band or whatever. The video is trash like. I watched I watched it back like not too long ago is not good, but it was kind of like a documentary day in the life types now. And Michelle was friends with my mutual friend from high school, saw that video that she had posted on Facebook, and she reached out to me. She e mailed me and was like, Hey, I'm starting a clothing company and I would love for you to make my videos and s Oh yeah, she d m. She e mailed me because my email was in my instagram bio and she hired me for a painting like, I think like 100 bucks for like the first video. But I was so hyped because I was like saying no one's ever paid me before. Like, this is a legit Someone's actually paying that The video that I made for never came out for whatever. Like it was okay. But like, it really didn't fit her branding number from that point on. Like she kept hiring me. And it allowed me to build a fashion portfolio and have something to show other people what I could do, which also led me to, like Shooting NYFW and other Fashion Weeks. And, yeah, I kind of just took off from there.

Audrie:   15:03
I love that you mentioned how you were only paid $100. I think it's really important to sometimes do work that may not equate a certain monetary value but can get you awareness or credibility.

Saul:   15:13
Absolutely. And I went into it like I would. He had even spoken about money. I was just like, Oh, great. Like we're all just do it like I don't even think she was gonna pay me. But like during the shoot, she gave me an envelope. It was like $100 bill was cool, even better, like that was, like more motivated to make better content. But yeah, I think, yeah, especially when you're starting out. I think it's very important to realize I you may not be making the most money, but this relationship that I'm making right now, we'll just allow me to at least create something that I can show someone else that might be able to pay me. Or this person is just a really cool person to know. And, you know, they might just get to having your circle. One bounce creative ideas off because at that point I wasn't friends, friends with anyone who was in the creative field like my friends were my score like engineers. And then that was teaching high school. So my work friends were high school teachers. So at that time, I really valued Michelle's just like friendship in relationship just because she was a creative in L. A. And I didn't know anyone, so she really just help me guide through through that? She saw one of my closest friends and still make videos for her clothing company. So, yeah, she's been a big help.

Audrie:   16:07
That's cool. How did you start working with celebrities influencers and brands.

Saul:   16:11
Yes. So I think the first corporate gig that I got was Men's Fashion Week in New York for Nordstrom and the CFDA. The CFDA Is like the organizing body for Fashion Week in New York. Um and yes. So that was the first That kind of led me to being more in the forefront of, like, the celebrity like influencer atmosphere. Right. Um so the way that that came about was kind of random, Like I followed this guy on Instagram. His name's Dapper Lou shout out to Dapper Lou. He's a photographer Based in Brooklyn. Great, amazing photographer has really great work. But I was falling one instagram and I saw he posted on this story like, Hey, we have a gig shooting Men's Fashion Week. We're looking for a New York based videographer and I live in LA But what? My really good friends from college was living in New York at the time, and I was like, All right, I don't have to pay for a place to stay. I have like enough money, to pay It paid for my flight. So let me just say I'm going to be in NYC and I am a videographer I'm based in LA and  I'm in New York for Fashion Week like I would love to do is help. So I just took a leap of faith, bet on myself and booked my own stuff. And we had a meeting like we talked on the phone and I was in New York prior to that February shoot and we met and he waited it off really well. He was like, Yeah, great. So you have the gig like it's all you and I was like a pretty good I was like a $5000 gig. That was the most money I ever made. And I was like, super hyped. It was fashion like it's men like It's fashion week. This is crazy. Yeah, So basically, because of that gig like that was my first corporate gig. It was very fashion base, and everyone loves fashion. Everyone loves dressing up and showing off for the gram, so that just really allowed to, like, have a lot of  have exposure that was greater than just like the little LA bubble. It was just like a very international platform of people from all over across the world like coming to New York for this given purpose. And I was able to use those three videos that I made for Fashion Week as leverage to be able to work with different people. So through that, like, just kept shooting, I was invited to shoot Fashion Week the following September that led me to shooting the European Fashion Week in Milan and Paris. And I was a different company started hiring you because of that, because I was able to make people look and that kind of its noble. It was just a trickle effect, really. Just one thing after the other came about. So that was that sort of how that happened.

Audrie:   18:26
So for people who don't have this high quality equipment, can they use their iPhone?

Saul:   18:32
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, my first camera was like a $300 cannon camera with, like, a kit lens, which is not good at all like, but I beat that thing up like I ran into the ground, the ins and outs. I was able to make things like Epic. On that $300 camera, I shot like a like I remember I shot Khalid had his first concert ever. Khalid performed in Long Beach. This was before he blew up, and I, like, shot a little edit of him on a $300 cannon camera that looked like trash. I put it, edit together, put it on YouTube, and his manager ended up hitting me up because they were making a documentary for amount Apple music, and they used it and it was a 300 or so. It was all about creating, but back to you, that's just like a little sidebar. So you can use whatever camera you want is what I'm trying to get out. But yes, if you have an iPhone or I think even Androids. I have better cameras and iPhones, but you can shoot in four K 24 frames per second or 60 frames per second. If you're trying to slow motion like a phone goes a long way, just just yeah, you can definitely use a knife. I I use it a lot to nowadays, like if my camera, for whatever reason, my battery's dead or whatever, we just captured on my phone just so that I have the shot and have the continent at least go in there, but it's like it's a really powerful tool. I think people overlook a lot, especially if they're trying to get into videography

Audrie:   19:48
when editing on your phone. Do you have go to editing apps or things that keep your photos or videos organized?

Saul:   19:54
Yes. Oh, for photo. I don't really edit videos on my phone. Just that seems really complicated, and my file size is a really big So, yeah, I do edit some of my photos on my phone with an app called Snapseed It's made by Google. It's free, and it it just is good is like Lightroom or Photoshopped, whatever. Maybe you could do so much on it. And a lot of the photos that you see on my on my feed like, because I shoot him in real time and I want to get them out there immediately. Why, if I transfer them onto my phone, edit them in Snapseed, edit them real quick and then export them and then upload them Snapseed is one of the best photo editing tools on on iPhone or android. Unless you're trying to do like a whole bunch of light retouching, airbrushing like them. That might be a little different, but yeah, that's an easy one to go to

Audrie:   20:39
How can someone with no experience you social needed to land their first client? I feel like you kind of touched all this with creating content that makes you stand out d m ing people. But is there any last golden nugget that you would provide for someone that has no experience?

Saul:   20:55
Yeah, I think. Yeah, I touched on it a little bit before, but I think just starting right, Like I think. Especially nowadays, with people in our age range millennials. Gen Z, that was with one after us. I don't know.

Audrie:   21:06
No idea. The

Saul:   21:07
younger generation, I think one of us like we we think about doing a lot of things in our life, but we don't ever do it. So you just using you to start it.

Audrie:   21:17
I made myself by all this podcast equipment because I knew if I invested in it that I would make myself do it. And I called enough people to keep me accountable. And then I promised myself that I would do it for one year and closed two episodes a month. And then we'll just see from there, because if I don't have accountability, then I'll have a ton of ideas,

Saul:   21:36
right? Absolutely. And that can weigh you down to a lot of things that you have all these ideas and it can drive you crazy because once you just start doing it, it just it starts flowing. You put it onto the university thing. That's that's really, really here. Just you just gotta start. And even if you have a crappy $300 camera like, that's all that matters, you just got to create something that's different and unique, and you learn a lot. Just by doing your 1st 2nd 3rd video is probably gonna be trash like It probably won't be good. Well, you're taking a step in the right direction and just just doing it. You know, it's all about doing in this field and getting yourself out there. It's It's really uncomfortable because you do have to put yourself out there and

Audrie:   22:13
it's super vulnerable.

Saul:   22:14
Absolutely, because it's like I'm 26 like all my friends of the majority, my friends have corporate jobs, right, and you know they have already gotten promotions and stuff like that, and they're making a lot of money. And I'm just, like, starting to scrape the surface of, like, being able to make good money off of this. But nowhere near that. They're making six figures. I'm not making six figures. Yeah, hopefully in this year, I'll like it there, but

Audrie:   22:38
they're gonna manifest for you. I'm gonna ask you some questions of people you wanna work with later. Yeah, Manifest.

Saul:   22:43
Yeah, but what I was getting at is just like it could be really easy to, like. Get down on yourself and, like, give up. Right. But if you have no experiencing, you just can't compare yourself. Anyone else? You can get inspiration for people, but just, like, view focused almost like tunnel vision and just go, Go, go, go.

Audrie:   23:00
Yeah, There's actually a great book I talked to you about earlier. It's called Crushing It by Gary V Who if you follow anything about social media, you know who he is. He's absolutely crushing it. Yeah, thanks for sharing all of your knowledge. And hopefully people can take that and create something that makes them stand out.

Saul:   23:19
Yeah, Hopefully there is one thing that you have this and if it does anything, just do it. Just go and viewed. Like that's the one thing I can leave you with this go and do something that you're passionate about, even if it's not video our photo.

Audrie:   23:30
Well, I'm really happy that you followed your passion, and I'm glad that we connected via social and we have to work together. And I look forward to cleaning to watching your journey,

Saul:   23:38
no doubt. Likewise,

Audrie:   23:40
I'm asking some rapid fire questions. I know you kind of touched on this, but favorite mobile video editing app.

Saul:   23:47
Mobile video editing up. Um, I think there's a premiere pro quick, so I use Adobe Premiere on my computer, and I know there's a quick version on your iPhone or Android that you can use as well, and you can just quickly drag your clips from from your iPhone.

Audrie:   24:03
Oh, nice. Recently I've been using InShot

Saul:   24:05
okay, I've never used that one

Audrie:   24:06
really, really easy.

Saul:   24:07
There we go. 

Audrie:   24:09
It kind of reminds me of garage band, but for video. It is very easy to use

Saul:   24:16
something iPhone has a  i movie on the phones

Audrie:   24:20
All right, So a brand or person you want to work with?

Saul:   24:23
Oh, my gosh, person. I definitely think

Audrie:   24:27
We're gonna manifest

Saul:   24:29
Um, so I've always I mean, full disclosure lot. This might be a controversial, but Kanye West, like, is my inspiration creatively. Like this man is a genius. I know there's a lot in the media, and if you haven't been following Kanye for ever, you might be like taking it back for him. But no, I think his his music, his creative progressions, visuals I've always been one of my biggest inspirations. So if I ever have the opportunity to create a video for Kanye, just document him. Um, I would I would die happy

Audrie:   25:02
All right, so if anyone knows Kanye, I doubt he is listening to tag me podcast But, if you're listening, Saul is your video man.

Saul:   25:12
If not calling in Virgil Abloh like, I would love to be like his personal video document, his Off White and Louis Vuitton stuff would be really cool. Virgil Abloh hit me up.

Audrie:   25:21
Maybe you should start filming stuff. A lot of people I actually know whether it's talent or creatives will create stuff for the brands they want to work with, to just kind of grab their attention. Not their full fledged potential, but just some small little snippets of their work

Saul:   25:36
Yeah, that's something I forgot to mention earlier to, like proof of concept. Like, Say, you want to work with something? Absolutely. If you wanna work with something someone, you should create content that represents that type of look just so that you can show people that you can actually do that cause otherwise report. You can't just say like, Oh, if I got hired by Louis Vuitton, I'd be able to create that like alright well show us that you can do that on their own first. Yeah, so that's always important.

Audrie:   25:56
All right, Last question. Do you have a videographer you look up to on social media?

Saul:   26:01
Yeah, so I mentioned earlier. His name's Rory Kramer. Love him. 

Saul:   26:16
um, Casey Neistat. He's a Youtube blogger. But he was a big inspiration for me too. So, Casey That would be doped.

Audrie:   26:32
All right, There you go. Guys. Reach out to Saul. How can people get ahold to you? And how can we support you on social media? Can people slide in the DM?

Saul:   26:41
Yeah. Absolutely. Um, I'm in the d m all the time, so feel free to. I'm always reaching out to people. People are always DMing me, asking me questions. Feel free to just send me a DM And my user name is @saulopez Um yeah, and that's probably best way. Or you can email me my emails linked on my instagram so you could just find it there.

Audrie:   27:03
Perfect. Thank you so much for being a guest on the tag me podcasts. 

Saul:   27:10
thank you for having me. I'm super excited to see how far you can go! you are doing it. you are just going for it.

Audrie:   27:15
I just jumped in.

Saul:   27:17
Yeah, that's the best way. It's the best way to learn.

Audrie:   27:19
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