In this episode of Tag Me Podcast, we’ll be learning social media tips from social media marketing manager and influencer, Jordan-Risa Santos. She has worked with brands like Rose Inc, Boyish Jeans, KKW Beauty, Alfred Coffee, and Fame & Partners. She’ll be sharing tips for brands and influencers. If you are interested in learning how to build a following on social or how to start working in this industry as a social media manager - stay tuned.
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In this episode of Tag Me Podcast, we’ll be learning social media tips from social media marketing manager and influencer, Jordan-Risa Santos. She has worked with brands like Rose Inc, Boyish Jeans, KKW Beauty, Alfred Coffee, and Fame & Partners. She’ll be sharing tips for brands and influencers. If you are interested in learning how to build a following on social or how to start working in this industry as a social media manager - stay tuned.
Jordan's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jordanrisa/
CONNECT WITH US ON INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/tagmepodcast/
spk_0: 0:01
way. Welcome to tag Me. A social media podcast will be connecting with your favorite people and brands on social media to share their tips and best practices with you. My name is Audrey, and in this episode we'll be learning social media tips from Social Media marketing manager Jordan Teresa. She'll be sharing social media related tips for brands and influencers. If you're interested in learning how to build a following on social media or how to start working in this industry as a social media manager, stay tuned. Jordan Social Media handles are linked for you in the episode notes. Thank you for tuning in. Now let's learn a thing or two about social media from Jordan. She's a social media marketing manager, an influencer She has worked with brands like Rose Pink Floyd's Jeans, K K W Beauty offered coffee and frame and partners. Let's welcome Jordan reset to the tag Me podcast high. So for people who might not know you, what do you do now? And how did you get started?
spk_1: 1:03
Yeah, So after like six years in the social media industry, I now do freelance social media marketing and right now have a couple clients. And half of my time is spent on that while half of my other time is spent on what you would call it a quote unquote influencer stuff. So, yeah, and how I got started. I mean, how far back do you want me to go? Goa sw. Far back, as you like. I went to school at Pepperdine University and I studied PR there. And, you know, during my time at school, I had, like, five internships in fashion PR mostly. And by the time I graduated, social media was really taking off, and I started working at an influence of marketing startup. So I actually got my start in this world in this industry with influencer marketing. Think in 2013. So six years ago, when it really started. And you know what? We're paying influencers like $25.100 dollars, you know, things like that. And, yeah, So, um, you know, that's where it all started. And I always thought I was going to go into fashion PR. And, you know, I'm really grateful that there was, like, a shift in the industry because I truly love doing social media now. And you know, after being an influencer marketing, I was I was just seeing so many brands throw money on influencers when there social media pages weren't set up and, you know, they weren't seeing conversions and they weren't seeing sales or follows. And so I had more of a want and desire to start working on the brand side of things. And so from there I ended up working at another agency. Another start up, and I started managing social media accounts for different brands, businesses, celebrity personalities, that type of thing. And we would create content. We would strategize their social media. Um, we would, you know, do their influence or seating and gifting that kind of thing. And that's how I really started to learn the ends and outs of social media and not just from, you know, an influencer marketing perspective. And then, um, I was doing that for a few years. I went in house for a big beauty brand, and, um, I really liked being able to just focus on one thing, one launch at a time, you know, one aesthetic, huh? Um, and just like, have my brain, you know, focused on one thing instead of 30 things. But eventually I left and I was like, OK, I guess I'm doing freelance. And it's something that so many people told me to do. They're like, Go off on your own. It's It's amazing. You do so well. And I don't know, I think I was just always the type of person that wanted to just follow the path and and do everything kind of traditionally, you know, now freelancing is much more common. Like I feel like all my friends are freelancers at this point. But, you know, starting off it was kind of scary. So I'm glad I did everything else first before, you know, going off on my own?
spk_0: 4:28
Absolutely. Oh, my gosh. I love your story. I can relate so much to a lot of it. And you touched on so many great points. One of them specifically, um, that I want to get into is about social before actually diving in to the influence or marketing.
spk_1: 4:42
Yeah, exactly. And I think you know, even before that before, So, you know, having a put pap to social media strategy. A lot of brands don't even know what their identity is. So you know they see so many different social media accounts, and Brand's doing this. You know, this type of thing. We're have this color scheme and they try to copy it. But, you know, it may not work for their brand for their business, for their ethos. Um, so, yeah, it's like really starting before So starting a social media account, you really have to figure out, like, who I want to be in this base and non just follow what everyone else is doing because that may not make sense for your brand or products,
spk_0: 5:29
right? What would you recommend to a brand who is starting to create a social strategy on how they can figure out what their identity is that they want to share on social?
spk_1: 5:41
Yeah, I think they have to figure out who they want to be in what they want to push and promote and portray themselves on social media. So, of course, you know they're going to promote their product on their service, whatever that may be. But, you know, are they a brand that promotes sustainability? Is that one of their storylines is that part of their background? Is it? You know, women empowerment and if so, like, are they going thio portray that using quotes or featuring, you know, powerful women in the history, um, you know, or is it you know they want to be elevated and luxury is part of their story line, and how are they going to tell that story? So it's really figuring out what pieces of content that you want Thio share with your audience and who the audience is and how to best straight that story online,
spk_0: 6:33
right? So in the past, I don't know if you can relate to this, but I have worked with brands that didn't have an in house content team on, and I'd often have to give them a strategy on how to create content. So what are your pointers for brands that don't have an in house team on the type of constantly creating? And obviously we all know at this point you don't need big, fancy creating cameras. You can make stuff on an iPhone, Um, but in terms of content, what do you think are some important pieces for the great brands be creating for content for social? I
spk_1: 7:05
think they have to ask themselves if they want to be elevated or relatable. You know, if they want it to be a super aspirational brand, you're probably gonna have Thio create, you know, gorgeous mood boards and find really quality photographers to take that content and higher models and get a stylist and make sure to get makeup artists because that's not something you can't you can't say luxury without, you know, with all without getting all of the necessary pieces together. But if you know you're more of a brand, that's all about relatability, then, yeah, you can shoot something on iPhone. Um, you can tap into micro influences a content. Creators, too, you know, create that content from their point of view, because that's likely something that an audience will resonate more with. Um, yeah, So I think it's about, you know, figuring out what type of content you want to put out there
spk_0: 8:05
who are some aspirational brands on social media that you think are doing it really well.
spk_1: 8:12
I would say Rose ink, and I'm not just saying that because I currently work on their social media now, but it was actually a brand before ice way before I started working with them. Ah, brand that I really, um I really enjoyed following even though I'm not like a huge beauty girl. Um, you know, and I just saw that, you know, there's so many beauty platforms and beauty brands, and I really felt like Rose Ink was a brand that I one could relate to, but more so that I aspired. Thio. I started following it because it was unlike a lot of the beauty brands that I saw out there, you know, overproduced and super airbrush and photoshopped and ultra glamorous. And that's just not the kind of girl that I M and could relate to. But with Rose Inc I felt like they were elevated, but still, like a little bit undone. Like, you know, there's like, a strong I, but, you know, she has a messy hair, and her lips are just balmy. Um, and I just, like, really liked the content that created that they created that, you know, kind of told a story of, like, an elevated woman. But when that was effortless. And so, even though it was really aspirational to me, I felt like there was some sort of relatability, um, and another social media account that I like is Vince. I don't usually, you know, gravitate towards social media accounts that, you know, have professional photo after professional photo. But I really enjoy following Vince because they're really good at, kind of like taking you into their world like you're in that Gordon gorgeous architectural house that they're in. And you see how the tones in the textures of the clothing can relate Thio a beautiful home or a beautiful landscape? Um, things like that. So, yeah, I would say those are my two favorites that I could think of on the top of my head. What about brands that are relatable? I mean, this is probably an answer that you get all the time, but I do think glossy is still, you know, doing the best up that you know, they're very like, you know, love the skin you're in. And, you know it's okay to show your blemishes or it's okay. Not Thio be super done up. Um, and I feel like, you know, they just do such a great job at showing different kinds of people, not just women, even like boys who love makeup, you know, they're very inclusive in terms off body size and skin tones and genders. Um, and I think that's really cool. Especially now you know where we're in, You know, a world that finally is realizing how necessary that representation is and how much we crave it. Um, yeah, I think that, you know, they're starting to be more. They're starting to also be more transparent. You know, they said we're getting rid of this product because it contains plastic. And now you know, you can opt out of the cute little pink pouches that we used to deliver in all the packages. Um, and that
spk_0: 11:38
they're very progressive, right? You're changing. And I think being able to adjust on dhe stay in conversations that air happening at the moment. But remaining on brand is very important to be successful Digital brand. And I don't know what you're I'd love to know your feedback on this, but I think from a marketing standpoint, it's very important for brands to know what their marketing goals are in terms of using social wind, deciding if they want to be aspirational, want relatable. Because even with myself, I noticed that I engage so much with relatable brands because they post something like you said about women's empowerment or something that I really care about our sustainability. No comment. I'll share it. All right. You know, I'll repost it. But if something is aspirational, it might go into a saved photo in a mood boards for me to repost later. But I'm not really commenting, and I'm not sharing it like in a direct message on Instagram to someone. It's really hard to connect with a product when it's so aspirational. Um, but then again, I think it varies from brand like, Are you Ah, brand like Prada or are you a brand like H and M? So I think once you can identify your demographic, then you can identify what is a content that they're relating to and what will get them to connect with this product. So then the content becomes so different. Yeah, exactly. So I can also relate to you in working with the agencies and then going on your own. So, at what point did you decide? I'm gonna do this on my own. I'm ready to do this. And what did you or how did you prepare for that
spk_1: 13:19
TV honest? Once I started freelancing. I wasn't mentally prepared. It all. I had just known that I wanted to leave the job that I was at, and I wanted to leave right away. And so I wasn't, you know, putting my resumes out there and applying for jobs. I quit, and I was like, Okay, shit, I need to figure something out. And, you know, I think it happened at the right time, because only then was I confident enough to start and being on my own. And I knew my worth, and I knew my skill set, and I was confident in my connections. Um, and so that's what made me feel ready for the first time to freelance. You know, I think I had a lot of experience with influencer marketing, managing different brands, you know, 10 20 brands out of time and then going in house and seeing, you know, the behind the scenes. And, you know, everything that goes on with just one brand. And I was like, Okay, you know what? I think I can handle five brands at on my own. Um and that's that's kind of when I now
spk_0: 14:29
Yeah, you know, there really is a big difference when you are at an agency managing 20 accounts to when you're on your own and managing five and you can actually move the needle for the brands you're moving with or you're working with. It's just so much more attainable, at least for me. In that way. On dhe, I like that you said that you knew your worth. I think in this industry, and I don't know if this is everyone's experience or just ours because we worked at agencies on I'll work for ourselves. But you wear so many hats, your own coordinator, sometimes your own community manager for the brands you're planning the events. You're literally doing everything as if you worked in house for these brands but for multiple brands at a time. So in realizing what my strings are within that and then outsourcing to other people when I know that my time is more valuable in creating a influence or marketing strategy and letting someone else to the community management, I think if you choose to go free lands in the beginning while you're getting started, it's committed to wear all the hats. But at some point when you get more experience in your career to start hiring people so that you can focus on building the brands you're working with and just going in that direction, right?
spk_1: 15:39
And it's so interesting to hear you say that you're kind of like trimming the fat. And, you know, you focus on the exact tasks that you are best at. I wanna work on, like, for me. It was mostly, um, trimming the fat client wise. Like I was like, Okay, I have six clients all on my own right now, and I also have my personal social media. How am I going Thio, you know, move in the right path forward and for me, instead of focusing on one thing, I was like, Let me focus on a couple clients I truly care about. And I could do all of that for them and then let the other clients go. And of course, you have D'oh get into a comfortable position to then, like oh, of clients, but kind of the way you have. You've built yourself up to the point where you can only work on the specific thing you want to work on. Yeah, and it's It's funny because it's like nice to hear that you're, like content and happy with having just a few clients that you work on in doing a specific thing for them. Because when I started freelancing, I had friends at my parents saying, How many clients do you have now? Are you going to start an agency like more, more, more, you know, and I don't think people realize what that means. If you got more clients, you need to spend more time on those clients. Like more clients doesn't just equal more money. It often means a lot more. Resource is you're gonna have to use, you know, you're If you have 10 15 clients versus five clients that you could manage on your own, you're going to start tohave to hire employees. You're going to start tohave to rent out an office. Yeah, going to have to start to engage a lawyer for, you know, an employee laws and all of that. Um, there's just so much more that you have to be mindful of when you start scaling a business, and for me personally, even though my parents, they're okay with it now. But they weren't too happy when I told them, like, you know, I'm not act. I'm actually not looking for clients right now. I'm okay with a few that I have. Um you know, I think a lot of people need to realize that you know not everyone. Haas. D'oh! Do more. You know, it kind of reminds me of when I was working at an agency. You often have to work on brands that you I don't give a shit about because you know what? The company has to make money and they're paying 10 employees, and so they're taking 30 clients. And, you know, now I'm have to clients and, like, influencers stuff, and I'm making it a crazy amount more than I was at a full time job. So So that's why I always have to, like, remind my parents that I'm, like, you know, sometimes
spk_0: 18:43
the less really is more so I think that's another thing. When people are starting out, they get really afraid to go on their own. So what would you recommend to someone with no experience who aspires to do something like you're doing? What would you recommend they do to gain experience in this industry?
spk_1: 19:02
Yeah, I you know, to be honest, I never like I said earlier, going off on my own and being my own boss like that wasn't That wasn't what I had in mind. I didn't have ankle. And I think, Ah, lot of people these days, like, you know, they're just straight out of college. And, like, I want to go off on my own. I want
spk_0: 19:21
to be a director.
spk_1: 19:22
What would you like? No, I'm sorry. You can't.
spk_0: 19:25
Yeah, I did so much for free. I did so much for free. I would work on brands accounts, and they didn't have a budget for a Silas. I would be the Silas on, and I'd pull my strings and I run into, uh, um, to showrooms who had relationships with for other things, like am shooting this client. They have no budget, can enviro some clothes, so, yeah, you really have to, you know, put in the time and effort, you
spk_1: 19:49
know, having the goal to go freelance is the wrong goal. The goal should be like, Do I have a passion for this industry? Yeah, whatever that may be. And if you have a passion for it, then you're not going to mind doing the work, you know, to get you to a place where you can go off on your own because you have the knowledge and the skill set and the confidence, you know? So, you know, I think that's what you have to ask yourself is like, Do I have a true passion? And do I want to learn? Think of common misconception about social media and this industry is that it's all fun and games like I can't tell you how many times like someone's come up to me or wants to get coffee. And they're just like, I want to start freelancing because I want to start going to the gym in the daytime or, like, just have, like, coffee dates with people like That's not what this is. You know, like, you know, I just remind people that it's still a job like, Yeah, you sometimes may be doing it on your couch, but it's still a job that takes time and energy and brainpower and effort. How did you go from working with brands to being an influencer? Yeah, I don't know. It's interesting because I really started. Like I said, I started, you know, my courier and influence or marketing. And you know, there's a lot of schmoozing involved when you're when you're getting a buddy buddy with influencers and you want Thio, you know, get them to pose for a brand that you manage. So it was like a lot of like lunches and parties and hanging out with influences and 2013 and back then, like Instagram was just all fun. And, you know, everyone was tagging each other. No one who was like, selective about who they're following. It was like, just like this big fun community. And so I think people like other influencers back then, which is start talking me. And then I randomly had 10,000 followers one day and I was like, I guess I should start, you know, just like caring about what I'm posting. And then, just as my career and social media kind of evolved and grew, so did my Instagram. And it's definitely interesting being on one side of, you know, managing partnerships with a brand and influencers for brand that's not mine and then going home and getting on my personal email and then managing those brand
spk_0: 22:18
negotiations for myself. But that's so great. Because now that you negotiate things for yourself, you know about the back end of it from a brand side. And you know how to negotiate those things for yourself.
spk_1: 22:29
Yeah, And I think, like, I also see just working, um, you know, working with influencers. For many years, I saw what I didn't like about, you know, influencers and those relationships. And I also saw what I did like and the type of influencer in person that I kept wanting to give business to ones who were, like, responsible and on time but also friendly and, you know, actually gave a shit about the relationship and not just the monetary compensation. So, you know, just seeing how I've felt on the other and is also how I dictate how I engaged with brands who wanna work with me to
spk_0: 23:09
Yeah. So now that you've been on both ends from a brand perspective, what would you recommend to talent when they're working with the brand? And from a talent perspective, what would you recommend? Toe a brand when they're wanting to work with a talent for
spk_1: 23:24
brands? I would say Don't just look at the numbers. You never know you never know how authentic and real those numbers are to begin with, but focus less on numbers and more about aesthetic and brand alignment. And who do you want to represent? Your brand. And it's a lot more than just the images they put out there. Who are they as a person? And I think that's what brand should really look for, you know, is is that And then on the talent side, when working with a brand like you know, don't say yes to everything. Brand partnerships aren't going to come off across as authentic if they don't give you creative freedom is if you see a creative brief that it's super super specific and something you had never posed. If you can don't accept that. And I think that's what you know kind of draws me to brand is that if they trust me, if they give me a creative freedom, I'm usually all in. But if it's something super specific and feels off brand to who I am, I'm it's usually you know for me. If you see an influencer posting a sponsor post every almost every photo, you're gonna have to know that your messaging there is going to be lost in the saturation of sponsored posts.
spk_0: 24:40
Yeah, I know us your audience if they had any social media related questions for you. So let's take a look at those. How do you pitch yourself for social media management if you have no experience?
spk_1: 24:51
Oh, if you have no experience, I would say, You know, it's really hard. I would say to pitch yourself if you have no experience. Um, I think before you do that, you have thio have to have to get experience whether it's through an internship or, you know, doing a part time gig for someone that you might know, Um, or working on a mock social media account that you make up and, you know, plan out on your own and say, You know, I haven't worked for an actual brand, but this is what I would D'oh Yeah, great tips. Yeah, but, you know, like I said before, I think experience is everything. So you know, whether you have a friend who you know cells, thrift did or vintage clothes, and you're like, Hey, like, let me help you with your social media account because I want to get into this business, and I want yours to be a case study of mine. Or, you know, if you are able to create, you know, an instagram that isn't for your personal self. But let's say it's a beauty community and you want to share flat lays and beauty looks and beauty tips. And that's something that you can show a company without having tough having to actually have had worked with. Um, a company for their social media. I think you really do have to be able to show visuals and what you can do and not just say this is my potential and, you know, believe me when I say it, people are going to want to see something.
spk_0: 26:31
There's a specific brand you're applying for. You can actually make a social media strategy for them right on. You can show them that, and I mean, everyone that lives anywhere has a local coffee shop or local shops that probably aren't on social media or maybe aren't doing as well as they could. And you can offer to do it for them for free or if you have no experience, just so that way you can build Ah, portfolio, which is invaluable,
spk_1: 26:59
right? So much of it is putting yourself out there. When I quit my job, I texted everyone I knew like, Hey, I'm freelancing now. I've worked on these clients. These are the social media accounts. I've worked for it. Here's some Here's a deck of, you know, the feeds I've curated. Here's a deck of the influences I've worked with. Ah, lot of the value placed on social media managers is your eye and your connections. So
spk_0: 27:28
100% it's your network. And I mean, can you actually create a social media strategy? And can you do the business management side of it? Yeah, that you get your first freelance client. A
spk_1: 27:38
founder of a denim brand had reached out to me for my like, you know, for my personal instagram, asking if he could give to me. And I said, Yeah, sure, that's great. And he said, Do you have any other friends that want social or that want jeans? And so I looked at the page and I saw that it it really wasn't like super curated. It didn't look like, you know anyone was really working on it, so I responded. And I said, um, you know, if you're looking for social media help, I actually have a lot of influence or friends I can give to, but I can also provide These service is in shattered izing social media for your account and also managing the platform. And he was like, Okay, let's meet. And when we met, I had a deck ready for him. Um, you know, laid out with all my service is my rates, Um, what I planned to do and how I plan to grow with social media. So I recognize that's not usually how it goes. Probably, but you really, When you're on your own, you have to see the opportunities and just go for it,
spk_0: 28:46
right? I love your proactive nous, and I actually do the same thing. So my first client ever message me through the D. M. Wanting to gift me and one of my friends is an influence or products. And I replied, black. Oh my gosh, I love your products. They're they're clean, natural. Um, skincare brand and I replied back the same thing. By the way, I can gift more people, and I can also help you with your social strategy. Here's what I can do for you and boom, That was my first kind I miss. It's working on a hot then and then Now a lot of brands gift me or email me to give me a swell if I look up the brand and it's a brand whose values I really lying within whose products I think I might like. I wait till I receive them. And then they always follow up with you because, you know, they're like, Hey, have you posted yet? And I'm like, Oh, I love this product. By the way, I work with influencers and I do social media strategy. Do you currently have someone that's doing this for you? If not, I'd love to expand on this conversation. If you're interested in, then Boom. There you go. Yeah, you really just have to get that first a cow tow. And then from there, it really is worth a mouth. I just had someone who was one of my previous clients a moment yesterday and connect me with one of her friends who is looking for someone to do our social media strategy. So this industry really is all about how much you put yourself out there and how much opportunity you create for yourself. You can't sit back and wait for option is to come to you have to create them right? Ever feel like clients will see her instagram and think you are too focused on your personal brand to help them all? Has a good question. No, there is a
spk_1: 30:24
lot of value in someone who clearly cares about social media, knows how to grow their own social media has tons of influence or connections. That's what they're paying for their not nothing for me to just simply post and execute because they can get someone else to do that. They're hiring me for my point of view, for my aesthetic, my eye, my connections in the years of social media that I have been working in And yeah, and I think like I love your feet, yeah, and it's it's you know, if they're going to worry about that, it's not gonna be a good fit. But the clients that have really, really valued me have only seen that as a plus because if I love you and I love working for you, I'm going to promote your brand on my social made account all day, every day. Yeah, I've had, um, asks out for paid interns, and I always ask them, Send me your resume, but also send me your instagram. And a lot of these girls are in college, so they don't have experience yet, But I can tell from their instagrams if they have the eyes. So, you know, I I honestly question people in the past when I was working at an agency and we're hiring a new account manager. I honestly questioned the people that had, like, a messy instagram feed because, like if if there's looks like this, how can I be sure that they're going to kill it with a soap company? Or, you know, like yah Ah, food bar. That's a lot harder than your personal account. So how do you grow on social media as a brand to grow on social media? I think you have to have consistency, and you're content has to be inspiring, educational or entertaining, mellow and a lot of the times when it's a good Brander service, it's not going to be that entertaining, so it has to be inspiring or educational um, you know, you have to provide value to your audience, and that could be in the form of gorgeous photos that they save. And they send their friends and, you know, they referred back to later, Um, or it can be something. You know, one of the brands I worked on, they sold sustainable denim and you know, people followed them for their beautiful photos and things like that. But they also were following them for sustainability. Tim's. And so you have to think of ways to grow your audience. That's not just going to be based on your product.
spk_0: 32:55
100%. I worked with a juice company before, and one of the things I implemented in their social strategy was I'd noticed that all their pictures were Onley photos of still juice, like just literally juice bottles. And I was like, Okay, I already know you as a brand. Most people know use the brand. We all know you saw juice, but tell me something that I can take away from this, like, why do I want to follow you unless you're providing me with some type of knowledge? So we created a Siri's where we would share recipes that you could use with the juices and so people would follow because they want to know what these recipes are. Yeah, those
spk_1: 33:33
are amazing and also engagement. So, like you said, engaging with others and engaging not just influences but engaging your audience like reply back to them, common on their photos sometimes, like they want to know that there's someone behind this brand and that it's not just a machine on home known photos and is trying to sell them something every
spk_0: 33:57
day. Yeah. Anytime you're making an instagram story post, ask yourself if instead of just text can you make it interactive? Can you add a pole? Can you have a countdown like, Do you have a new product? Lunch? Thank you for everything that you shared on this podcast. I feel like
spk_1: 34:13
I over shared, so thank you for listening to me for the past 1,000,000 minutes.
spk_0: 34:18
I'm senior. I loved it. I honestly could keep going. Um, okay, So if there's somebody who wants to find you on social media, where can they follow you?
spk_1: 34:29
Um, you can find me on Instagram mostly at Jordan Teresa. I'm also on Twitter, but I made my husband changed my password because I was on it too much. It was like I can't That's interesting. Twitter, huh? Yeah. I love Twitter. Like, maybe more than instinct. What do you love about it? It's so funny and informative. And you just, like, get news way faster than you would if you didn't have Twitter. I I'm gonna
spk_0: 34:55
have to bring you back on just to talk about Twitter then.
spk_1: 34:57
Yeah, I really I don't I Honestly I'm not an expert at optimizing a brand on Twitter, but I do love Twitter in my personal life. Good to know. Next episode around to thank you so much for being a guess. Yeah. Thank you for having me. Thank you
spk_0: 35:15
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